Back from Egypt, North cruise Wrecks and drop offs, I wanted to share with you my annoyance to see me impose again by a PADI diving director no decompression dives. We had already had a similar problem last year in the Maldives, and this time again, the 2 Egyptian DPs were PADI and imposed no decompression dives.
There is, to my knowledge, no law in these two countries requiring diving in the safety curve if we respect the depth limits ... I also understand very well that we limit in total time the duration of the dive. 60-minute dive for questions of overall safety or organization on board the boat. On the other hand, if I want to do the majority of my dive at 30 m and hit the landing, that concerns me and my partner!
Finally, I am not unconscious and I avoid doing too many decompression dives as much as possible during a diving cruise, but the thought of not having the right to do so irritates me deeply. In the Maldives, the DP had threatened all divers to be banned from diving at the end of the stay if we were guilty of decompression diving….
I do not pay the price I pay and did not impose myself the training of level 3 to be imposed on me by two guides that scare decompression diving (go read a PADI training manual), PADI dives, limited to safety curve by the simple ignorance of decompression ... When you take money from CMAS divers, you must also know how to accept that CMAS divers dive independently as they know how to do! Or we warn you as soon as you register, even if you see these customers change tour operator….
It turns out that we couldn't do the Rosalie Moller due to frankly unfavorable weather conditions, and it is probably on this dive that we would have had to do a little decompression to make the most of this wreck…. so we did not suffer too much from the imposed conditions, which had not been the case in the Maldives where we had to shorten a few dives in the passes so as not to have decompression.
Having already done diving cruises in these two countries with DPs accepting decompression, I can assure that it changes a little the quality of the dives and the overall impression that we have at the end of the cruise: to do 3 dives 45 minutes is not the same as 3 dives of 60 minutes !!
So, before registering for a diving cruise, I invite you to ask your tour operator if decompression dives will be accepted on your boat ...
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Patrick, the rest of your text, please, you left us in the middle of a sentence: “which I would find quite commendable if we were to…”…. And after ? Thank you
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Sorry I must have taken too long ………
which I would find laudable, and even more than that, natural, normal etc if we went to the end and we get out of our form of colonialism to us, that is to say if all these young local DPs really exercised their instructor profession, it would then be a kind of sustainable development version diving, with transfer of proportional responsibility to the local populations, but this is not the case, or at least not often! for 1 year, these “monitors” have only been arguing Low cost for center bosses, I even know some who are declared “dive masters” to stick to the law and who do not even have a pair of fins to go into the water. And by pity, spare us the very short list of Egyptian instructors my friend, we all know them, and they are all our friends…. Which proves that they are not numerous. And I maintain, I don't care which chapel we're talking about, but the kind of “rule” Marie Aline speaks of is only a mark of incompetence or at least ignorance of the subject. Once again, and to be really useful for beginners, not making a stop is not, far from it, a method to achieve improved safety ... limit the depth yes, even if that annoys me personally but I am campaigning for generally, to limit time for the same reasons and because in addition it allows to be on time at the table, but to pretend to put that into equation and to conclude that not to leave his computer switching to deco mode is enough to improve safety is untrue.
Thank you Patrick, I wanted to read more! For Marie-Aline, Christophe, Laurent, Anne-Violaine, Ludovic & Géraldine, obviously these are steeples, but if we don't chat, there is no more exchange! This site is made for that. And when I dive into these structures, I do like everyone else, I dive according to the directives with full knowledge of the facts.
Bullissimes to all.
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For geraldine and anne-violaine, once again, in this kind of cruise, I avoid decompression and I try to stay in the safety curve of my computer as much as possible. what irritates me is the diktat which in my opinion is based on a total ignorance of decompression diving and which, as patrick points out, is based on very variable mathematical models ...
No, laurent, when you are a tour operator only supporting French divers, there is no reason why the tour operator should not take into account in choosing his DP the origin of the divers from whom he accepts the money ...
We then risk obtaining the opposite of what we want in terms of safety: on a drift with full juice, with 8 min of stops, that the parachute is released only in the last three minutes corresponding to the safety stop PADI… I specify that I am not the author of this trick… I am wise, I comply with the rules but it annoys me !!
but I would simply like the rules to be specified from the outset by the tour operator since they vary according to the DP that we will have the chance to have ... you go with the same tour operator 2 years apart and according to the DP you do not have the right to the same things… for me, there is a problem!
and no laurent, i'm not angry, i'm annoyed ... no war to launch against the PADI system, but rather warn people that you have to make sure to be made clear about this kind of thing before signing the check, it is after all, not a little check that we write ... as long as this kind of detail can be important to you.
It appeals to me to know that at the same time, in the same country, with the same organizer, the divers on board the southern cruise had the right to decorate because one of the DP was French ... even if we encouraged them not to.
it was my 6th cruise and unfortunately the 2nd time that I was confronted with the problem ... given what patrick writes about Egypt, it will become generalized ... I just want to not be alone to tackle the problem so that the organizers take these kinds of remarks into account when registering.
Hi Alain, everything is said!
Regards
And how many times have I seen my mandatory stops disappear during the “slow” ascent after spending 8 minutes at 40 m to observe a long-nosed hawkfish for example.
Question: What dive did I do? With or without landing?
Subaquatiquement
Christophe
N3 - NxConf - 175 dives
Perfect. The final word. Whoever proves once and for all that this question does not exist, or rather that it does not have an answer and that, therefore, wanting in a peremptory way to decide that it is a dive with, or without, comes under the conviction, not knowledge. But the important thing is that it's beautiful, a long-nosed hawk ...
Frankly, with the more and more conservative computers sold to the general public nowadays, we end 3 cruising days, at the rate of 3 dives per day, Padi mode or not, we take the decor!
Diving at 45 makes sense in the Maldives when the passes offer us a parade of sharks for example, but it is obvious that the dive will be around 45m and not one. For my part, I do not see where the decoration pbl is or not, from the moment you become a diver who knows how to manage his air consumption. As for the depth, it all depends on what there is to see, the narcosis experienced by each one etc…. Personally, I enjoyed beautiful decorating weather in Indonesia by diving between 15m and 5m of water for 75 minutes! The instructor could not stay that long (health issue for him over an 8 month season) and let us go after an hour, knowing that we were a homogeneous group of good level. We all had a PARACHUTE .... No one was frustrated - :)
Ps: the TO tell anything and very often do not know what is happening on board.
Another thing: countries like Egypt or the Maldives legally limit dives to 30m. Then it's up to the Diving Director to see if he applies the regulations to the letter or not! ...